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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 8:38:46 GMT
"I meant a magical arrow to transmit the Dispel effect for Katalina to use, not myself! I could probably hit her, she's not the smallest of targets, but I don't have the archer's eye to ensure the arrow gets between her scales. A shot from me would definitely be a waste, as you say."
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Post by Amcimir on Oct 16, 2014 16:54:32 GMT
Azral is right *harumph* misdirection doesn't stop scrying, Non Detection is the spell that comes to mind. Do you have that in your books, Orin my boy?
Yes, she sleeps for the moment, and the horn will awaken her, but so will our arrival if we are not careful. She will no doubt have taken steps for awakening her in the event of ambush.
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Post by Katalina on Oct 16, 2014 17:46:17 GMT
"hmmm, I see what you were getting at tho Orin. If those magics can be used as I'm sure mine or Amcimir's presence would awaken her quickly. Remember how I got the Butchemberal's attention attention above the cliffs near Keirguard Keep Azral?
I don't know if this is any use my friends *pulls out a large white dragon scale* she left this behind"
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Post by Orin on Oct 16, 2014 21:25:55 GMT
Orin takes his books out with and starts scouring, then scowling. I am afraid that the knowledge of this spell has not been revealed to me.
Amcimir, my idea with regards to the fog I agree that it would be unlikely to do any harm to iceheart more a case of annoyance and chance.
I feel any offensive spells I decide will need to be varied to try and give myself the chance to impact her.
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Post by Katalina on Oct 18, 2014 11:24:50 GMT
*Kat leans with her back near the fire* "It is finished *sighs*, thank you all for your support.
Amcimir I believe there is something special about this bow, I can feel the magic has changed since when I fired the first arrow from it to the way it feels now after facing Iceheart *smiles*
We now need to go to her lair in the ice, Amcimir has said it should be checked out and maybe their is knowledge contained there that answers more of why she returned to the Fey plain and maybe some ideas of her plan.
We also need to return briefly to see the King and I the Hunters Lodge"
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Post by Azral on Oct 18, 2014 13:16:07 GMT
"Ayi lass. By the blessings of the Mordinsamman we survived that one. If it hadn't of been for Amcimir I doubt we would of made that! I think maybe your growing on me 'ha hahaha. I think we should check out her lair and I guess I could stomach the Kings Court again but fek the lodge lass. Next you'll be asking us ta hold ya hand in case ya trip and scrape ya knee"
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Post by Katalina on Oct 18, 2014 14:04:16 GMT
*bursts into laughter* "I'm glad you can manage the Fey Court once again, but with the Lodge I would be going alone while we are in glimmermoore *wipes a tear* I like the fact you are there to tend our injuries my friend but it's been a few years since I needed a scraped knee tending and a kind word to stop me crying *bursts into laughter once more*. I think you would like the food at the lodge but it is like a members lodge for those who follow the path of the hunter *smiles*.
And you are right the outcome could have been much different if we had faced her with you at our side Amcimir, thank you *a rare sight as she embraces him*"
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Post by Azral on Oct 18, 2014 17:16:54 GMT
"I think Sharks are hunters too!"
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Post by Katalina on Oct 18, 2014 18:53:43 GMT
Luckily my draconic blood stopped me finding out first hand *shudders*
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Post by Amcimir on Oct 22, 2014 21:14:36 GMT
*Harumph*
*He gently releases himself from Kat's embrace*
Did you not hear anything I just said?
Then I will be as clear as I can be - was it your draconic blood or your hunter's blood which caused you to loose your arrow and kill Ice Heart when she was at our mercy? Perhaps your human side for humans can be the most merciless of folk.
Yes, a great evil has now been vanquished and I am pleased that it is at an end but it was within our power to stop the evil without killing and maybe learn more from her as a prisoner. It was within our power... Our plans to use the manacles were dashed when something else got the better of you and dictated your actions.
I fear that you only wanted to repay suffering with more pain and death.
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Post by Katalina on Oct 23, 2014 13:12:59 GMT
*Ixen looks at Amcimir with an almost sad look in her eyes*
"The ability to grant mercy is both noble and a true sign of a compassionate heart, bur mercy is a gift. As Gi'antherlanix the great silver once said "kilith ihk wer xihuuliup(mercy for the worthy)", some do not deserve this gift.
As for my actions, I loosed my arrow not in a fit of rage, wanting to inflict pain and suffering to return in some physical form of balance the destruction and harm she had caused. My instincts for that final shot came from both my Draconic heritage and my hunters blood, the instincts I have honed as a Huntress. I have been trained and walked the path to hunt and destroy Bahamut's enemies since I was very young, the values and want of opposing evil, to protect those in true need has been in my heart and soul since the first flame beat there. This path was not forced upon me, but one I accepted and understood, I do not mean that it is all I have done for there was many years as child growing with opsola (father) that were filled with joy and other pursuits. My love of the arts is one of the skills my father encouraged above all others along side singing and the appreciation of the beauty this world of ours has to offer. But it has always felt natural to me, the calling of nature and the ways of the huntress have always been second nature to me. I never felt the holy calling of those with strength and will to stride forth as paladins, the latent magic of my blood has never sang to me as I hear it does in many true dragons and maybe half dragons like myself. Maybe it is a strength or maybe even a weakness my ability and willingness to deliver the final blow against an enemy. But do fear, it is not a darkness in my heart or a sick need and enjoyment to inflict pain that draws back the string of my bow or strengthens my arm when wielding tooth, claw or swords. The temper and anger I show at times I have harnessed and accepted as a strength to gird me, not a malicious force I fight to control.
There are many good arguments for not letting her live, she had been captured once and that was not a permanent solutions as we have found out to the cost of many lives. Much information may have been gained from her, but what then? would you have left imprisoned in a single room for the rest of her existence? Who would have guarded unwitting travelers from entering the prison, what of any of the cult that learned where she was and came to free her by force and evil might. I had planned to arrange guards for Drakes peak once she was imprisoned there, but would that have been enough I wonder.
The plan to capture her was a good one, but did not your own fight with her turn more brutal than we originally planned? She was strong enough to withstand your attempts to drag her through the portal and it turned into a bitter battle of tooth and claw. I did notice the power of the portal dragging her through at the last after mine and Azral's Union attack, so I do not try use we couldn't get her though as an excuse for my actions.
These after thoughts and what if's I have just said are all well and good, but at that frozen moment with my bow drawn it was zarlathil niasvek (natural instinct) not reasoning that released the arrow.
*sighs heavily*
I do not know if any of this makes sense to you iosta (uncle *Kat slips with the word without realizing*), if it is your curiosity that questions why or if you now think less of me and hold me to judgement"
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Post by Azral on Oct 23, 2014 14:23:55 GMT
"And this is why children shouldn't be allowed to venture away from family, training or a guiding hand.. I don't believe it was your Draconian blood, your hunter's blood or even the want to rid the world of evil that guided your aim.. It was an infant having a tantrum! "
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Post by Amcimir on Oct 23, 2014 17:49:31 GMT
I was not judging you, my words come from my own feelings and reasoning. You have valid points, is a prison worse than the release of death? Perhaps death was a mercy in itself.
You fool yourself if you think you have harnessed your temper and anger! By their very nature they are impossible to enslave! We can only hope to control our urges enough to do no harm to other creatures, whatever their sins.
As for quoting Gi'antherlanix! He was a fool, Mercy is not a gift, mercy is not 'earned' and it most certainly not the position of a pompous self important ego maniacal silver to dictate who 'deserves' mercy and who does not.
The truly righteous give mercy to ALL - no ifs or buts, no debate or argument - ALL living beings are given mercy by the actions of the mercy giver not because of anything the person has or has not done.
None of us are in a position to make this judgement, only the gods themselves.
You ask me of what might have become of Ice Heart once we had learned all we can from her. I do not know that much but I ask this of you in return; what would have become of Ice Heart once she had learned all she could from US? This is something we now we will never know.
Believe me, I would have carried on trying to get her through the portal. *Harumph* Yes, it was getting a bit scrappy but I would have died willingly knowing I had done everything I could to capture the dragon. Besides, a few more seconds and I think I would have got a good enough grip.
I am glad an evil has been removed from this and other worlds, she was indeed very dangerous and the risks of letting her live were great ones. But it is up to us, and people who would do good, to at least try. We must lead by example if we are to make a difference.
To simply kill everything that does not line up with our own opinions of right and wrong is a path of absolutes that can itself only lead to pain and actually walks shoulder to shoulder with evil.
Anyway, it is a waste of time to discuss what could have been or what should have been. What is done is done. But do yourself a favour and at least show some honesty here - do not try and blame them on some instinct or blood. YOU control your actions, you are right of mind? You know the difference between loosing and sheathing your arrow? You wanted to shoot so you did, and you should be proud for a fine shot it was and rid the world of one more evil dragon and possibly saved thousands of lives in the doing. Accept yourself for what you are, regret only those things that you had no control of.
*Amcimir wanders away from the group as he prepares to return through the backroad*
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Post by Katalina on Oct 23, 2014 18:55:15 GMT
*Note: Sorry buddy, I have been doing this rewrite for the last hour and you posted before I got chance*
*Ixen looks at Amcimir with an almost sad look in her eyes*
"The ability to grant mercy is both noble and a true sign of a compassionate heart, bur mercy is a gift. As Gi'antherlanix the great silver once said "kilith ihk wer xihuuliup(mercy for the worthy)", some do not deserve this gift.
As for my reason for loosing that final killing shot I do not fully understand myself *she looks down to the floor*, I do know that it was reactive and instinctive. Maybe a part of me was listening to the guilt I have felt since she first awoke and began this rampage, possibly the anger I feel at not being able to stop her before any of this unfolded. I did not fire in an attempt to inflict pain and suffering maliciously, there is no shadow over my heart that delights in seeing others suffer at my hands or at another’s. It is not a need or want to inflict pain that draws back the string of my bow or strengthens me when wielding tooth, claw or swords. The temper and anger I show at times maybe from my human side, but it can also lend me strength to gird my actions. Maybe I have just not learned the wisdom my elders display when it comes to controlling your emotions. It was silly of me to think the shot would either deliver final judgement or spare her at the great fathers choice, you are right Amcimir it was my skill and my knowledge of where to place an arrow for maximum effect that lead to her death*she looks back to them both, cheeks reddened slightly with shame*. I have shown and seen the virtue of granting mercy, but I do not always feel that way towards those that pit themselves against me, maybe a sign of youth and inexperience, I do not know. Facing Iceheart was one of these times.
I have been trained and walked the path to find and destroy Bahamut's enemies since I was very young, the values and want of opposing evil, to protect those in true need has been in my heart and soul since the first flame beat there. This path was not forced upon me, but one I accepted and understood, I do not mean that it is all I have done for there was many years as child growing with opsola (father) that were filled with laughter, joy and other pursuits. My love of the arts is one of the skills my father encouraged above all others alongside singing and the appreciation of the beauty this world of ours has to offer.
But it has always felt natural to me, nature and the ways of the huntress have always been a part of me. I never felt the holy calling of those with strength and will to stride forth as paladins, the latent magic of my blood has never sang to me as I hear it does in many true dragons and maybe half dragons to. Maybe it is a strength or maybe even a weakness my ability and willingness to deliver the final blow against an enemy.
There are many good arguments for not letting her live, she had been captured once and that was not a permanent solutions as we have found out to the cost of many lives. Much information may have been gained from her, but what then? Would you have left her imprisoned in a single room for the rest of her existence? Who would have guarded unwitting travellers from entering the prison, what of any of the cult that learned where she was and came to free her by force and evil might. I had planned to arrange guards for Drakes peak once she was imprisoned there, but would that really have been enough I wonder.
The plan to capture her was a good one, but did not your own fight with her turn more brutal than we originally planned? She was strong enough to withstand your attempts to drag her through the portal and it turned into a bitter battle of tooth and claw. I did notice the power of the portal dragging her through at the last after mine and Azral's Union attack, so I do not try use we the we couldn't get her though argument as an excuse for my actions.
These after thoughts and what if's I have just said are all well and good, but at that frozen moment with my bow drawn it was zarlathil niasvek (natural instinct/reaction) not reasoning that released the arrow.
*sighs heavily*
I do not know if any of this makes sense to you iosta (uncle *Kat slips with the word without realizing*), if it is your curiosity that questions why or if you now think less of me and hold me to judgement"
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Post by Amcimir on Oct 23, 2014 20:10:25 GMT
So, it is natural instinct that leads to you killing another? Not just here and now but with any foe at other times? You are a natural killer indeed. A life is worth more than instinct, it deserves more than the narrowing of an eye or the smell of a fresh kill on the wind. It deserves thought.
When I first met Kal, she was trying to lead the Thayan prisoners to safety but was pinned down by the Hill Giants that had made their lair between. She asked me to help and after much thought and reasoning, I agreed.
If I had refused, the Thayan prisoners would have died a horrid death. I tried to scare them off first, but they were unimpressed by my roars and wingspan. I killed them all, I swept down from the skies and melted them to so much bloody mulch. The women and children too. If I had spared the children, they would have succumbed to the elements. I could have flown the Thayans to where they were going one by one but this would have taken days and ultimately made me late to arrive at my destination causing more than a thousand souls to perish. It was a choice between them, the giants and the slaves. The choice seems obvious, doesn't it? Many would say I did the right thing but I cannot understand how. I cleared the way, the slaves made it to safety and I reached my goal in time to save a thousand souls.
Does this weigh on my mind? Yes, all the time, every waking moment and every dream is filled with their faces and the faces of others. I am in no position to judge any of you as I have also taken the same decisions that you have had to make in the hope I am doing the right thing. I help in the way I think would save the most lives but in doing so, it makes me a killer and therefore a sinner no matter how you cut it.
If you can make sense of that, you're smarter than I.
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